Curse

crimsonfilms · Dec 13, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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I didn't hear any complain about that.

Because to start a new season. There are no competative 'seasons' for Tombs.

Yeah - reseting rank is absolutely absurd.
Don't like them? Don't use it.

Yichi · Dec 13, 2005, 04:30 PM // 16:30

If they reset the rank system in GW, i will quit playing PVP altogether. I worked too hard for what I have onyl to have someone pissed off that they dont have any start a petition and get the rank reset. If ANET truly wants to lose 90% of its pvp population, then go ahead and reset it. Those people will 99% chance gaurenteed not be going to try to earn that back by playing GW

The deal with rank and fame is this. (note its a vicious cycle) is that if you dont have it, you want it. If you want it, you have to play with people that have it. The people that have it wont take you because you dont have it.

Akathrielah · Dec 13, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

If they reset rank all of the good players will simply play amongst themselves, and the narrow (1%) chance that anyone that is unknown to them will get to play with them will become zero. As simple as that.

Look at this way, Anet decides to cave in and resets rank. Now there is a sea of people and aside from the people that I KNOW are good (either from friends list, previous experiences, other players word of mouth, etc), there is now no way to quickly determine the skill and experience of a random player. Asking questions and examining skill bars means little when any random joe pvp can go to a forum and pick out a decent build to emulate, plus even WITH the rank system, tombs groups already take long enough to form, imagine how long it would be if you try to form a PuG with a "screening" process, have fun spending 4 hours building a group that may not even make it past the Underworld.

And as a side note, isn't there already 5 other threads discussing this? Do we really need another one?

Shmash Witdaclub · Dec 13, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by Navaros

No way. You can't flush down all the countless hundreds of hours r6 and r9 have put in to get their rank down the toilet. The very idea is absurd. If you wanna throw away your own time then that's your business, but throwing away other people's time - no way.

/agree completely

this would be quite a crazy thing to do because there are so many skilled players out there that do indeed deserve their well earned rank. Not to mention a rank reset would be pointless if you were looking to solve a problem with those people that have no skill that just constantly farm fame - they would just earn their fame the same way they did all over again.

a guild ladder reset does serve a purpose as someone else has already set. think of it as a new season in your favorite sport or something. keep things both fresh and somewhat exciting.

Shmash

burai · Dec 13, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by fiery

when will this thread every die..

The OP has made a valid point - what's the problem? Don't read the thread if you're not interested in the subject.

There seems to be a lot of elitism in the forums too

alexcave · Dec 13, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I am capped at only 159k faction and have everything unlocked....pls Anet do something about this.

Months ago fame was a good indication of whether people had skills unlocked, could play competently etc, but with so many people r6 or above good groups are now formed from friends lists without any regard to rank. If I cannot find what we need from from friends lists, I wait until they are online rather than pick up a random person.

I suppose this is just as elitist as rank, but until Arenanet do something about it (i.e. add an emote for every rank) there is not much choice.

Shadowspawn X · Dec 13, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by alexcave

I am capped at only 159k faction and have everything unlocked....pls Anet do something about this.

I am capped even lower than that at 121,500 faction because I unlocked only my items and runes with faction. I have all primary and 5 secondaries complete. A total of 452 skills unlocked on my PvE ranger, but I don't understand why this is a probelm, what is it that you want from Anet?

crimsonfilms · Dec 13, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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I am capped at only 159k faction and have everything unlocked....pls Anet do something about this.

HUH?
What does your faction have to do with the Rank system?

I am unsure why you would use rank as indication of skills unlocked! There is no correlation.

This goes back to my argument that the rank system is not really broken but people are applying it incorrectly!

Zaklex · Dec 13, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I don't mean to sound like a jerk; I'm just being honest. If you were an employer who was hiring, would you wanna take the less-qualified applicant, or the more-qualified applicant?

Why should good players handicap their own parties for the sake of "giving others a chance". Giving others a chance is very time-consuming. They should be learning on their own time with players of their own caliber (ie: other unranked players) rather than leeching off the skills of better players, wasting the time of better players, and dragging the better players' teams down to their level.

Actually you do sound like a jerk, and the only thing that a high rank proves is that people have spent a lot of TIME playing ToPK, nothing more. Remember that the basis of this game is SKILL over TIME For this very reason you won't find many of the top 25(discounting all the smurfs) guilds playing in Tombs for anything other than fun, if they even do as most don't consider Tombs to be a good PvP format.

crimsonfilms · Dec 13, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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guilds playing in Tombs for anything other than fun, if they even do as most don't consider Tombs to be a good PvP format.

And an unranked or low ranked player chances being their team is....???

If they decide for some reason to ever fill up slot number 8 with a PUG I seriously doubt it will be a rank 2 player - unless of course they are a known player from another guild.

dimirpaw · Dec 13, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Shmash Witdaclub

I was in a top reputable guild for some time now and I was just booted the other day while I was inactive due to recovering from surgery.

Anyway, when I came back I asked why I was booted and they said that they had decided that they were going to go to a strictly rank 6 or 7+ guild. Okay, I guess I can understand that, I am only rank 3.

Why am I only rank 3? Do I suck? I of course do not think so. I am one of guild wars' thousands of casual players. I did not have neither 1/4th of the amount of time played or deaths accrued as the amount of my fellow guild members, so how can I be expected to be the same rank as them?

What upsets me the most about all this is the fact that I thought we were all close in the guild. I did not know any of them in RL, but met in them all in game. But as we did tombs and gvg battles and such we became rather close in terms of internet gamers. We knew eachother and we all knew what the others were about.

Then I got booted.

So, my question why is it so important that every guild member be a certain rank? An obvious answer (some may argue) that the amount of ones rank shows the amount of there pvp knowledge.

cough IWAY BS cough

Others might say that they need the room in guild for more members - okay I can understand this one; however, my guild only had like 15 active members.

I am just curious if other people have experienced situations similar to this one? This event has really left a bad taste in my mouth towards guild wars and my previous guild. I am kind of upset towards guild wars since the only thing left for people to do in game for most people is fame farm - which I believe is partially a reason that this happened with my guild. The other obvious reason I am upset is because of the actions of my former guild.

And for those of you that want to flame, I could move on and find a new guild, you're right! It is just that I was happy with the old guild - it was not a pug guild - no immature players - everyone playing basically with the same mindset. It is kinda like I had the experience of being in an almost flawless guild and I am not sure if I want anything else.

I am thinking about hanging up my hammer now til chap 2 comes out.

Anyway, anyone else have any comments on the rank rave?

Shmash

Wow that must suck, I mean comon now... Isn't a guild more fun if you expect all kinds of ranks, and just have fun? It's beyond me why anyone would boot you for having you in the Guild at all. They should of said for now on only 6+ ranks but you can stay. This is a prime example of idoits who care more about a win and their overall rank then having fun with everyone in the guild. Guilds should be like little familys, but I guess this Guild you where in was full of selfish idoits.

streetboy · Dec 14, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

rank does not mean a thing to me, since you can farm the same way as gold. I knew people playing not good in neither PVP nor PVE, but they can farm to rank 3 easily in one week with IWAY and MM team.

BiggDunc · Dec 14, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

i hate elitist guilds

i train my guys, and try to elevate them to higher levels, rather than kick them cuz they arent l33t...

hit me up ... www.teamfahq.com if u want a strong guild, that gvg's each night... we've been down to 208... and aiming for top 100 next "season"

Kai Nui · Dec 14, 2005, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I was let into a guild with rank 1 (I had attained 1 fame per PUG that had actually gotten past ghostlies and didn't suck.) so I had tried real hard. Comp arenas was about the only place I could go. One day I saw a recruitment with a guy starting a breakoff from a godly guild that I didn't even hear about. For the heck of it I PMed him and he said he'd try me out, and said, "Rank isn't everything." Anyway, I tried out (with my Me/Mo) and did good enough to join. The guild is very small and made up of just a few elite/1337 players, and I'm included. I'm also the second youngest, the youngest being a 13 year old Flemmish boy who created our website. Now you think this is where the story ends, well you're wrong. I wasn't able to make it to our guild's first HoH. They used two rank 6 mesmers to use the guild's HoH mesmer build (That I had been owning and using recently) and they completely sucked at it after many failed attempts. I got to stay in because of my unlikely "godliness" or so the guild leader calls it. We're still together we use Vent and all our guild is owning, only thing is we could use a few more members in the same timezone, other than that, we're preparing for our first Guild War after a few more HoH's.

glenn_rolfe · Dec 14, 2005, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by streetboy

rank does not mean a thing to me, since you can farm the same way as gold. I knew people playing not good in neither PVP nor PVE, but they can farm to rank 3 easily in one week with IWAY and MM team.

Trust me, IWAY players don't make it into r6+ teams (non-iway). So if u think you're gonna use iway to get your fame and then switch, you are seriously deluded.

Most higher ranked PUG's (non-friend list groups) generally pull 8 people together, work out a build between each other, and assign roles expecting everyone can fill any of the roles. If you come from IWAY land, you are screwed.

Don't think IWAY is your answer to getting into better PUG's down the track.

c h a v e z · Dec 14, 2005, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by Medion

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Wasn't it done with the guildladder too??
I didn't hear any complain about that.

you also dont lose rank in tombs, and lose it more to worse teams and lose it less to better teams. the ladder is a better representation of skill, if you try to farm it you will eventually run into teams that are better than you, lose, and start to go back down on the ladder eventually staying in an area around players close to your skill level.

EDIT - unless your like war machine and are good/play 24/7 with 7 smurfs that have over 200 games each wtf!!~~

Clusmas · Dec 14, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

Wow it would be very nice if rank worked the same way as guild rating, but on an individual basis. You could determine how much is won/lost by the median rank of each player on the team. I think this would make it alot more competitive and obviously much less farmable.

Shen Xi · Dec 14, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

and if they did it this way then the poor gits who don't ahve rnk now will never get it.

i know if they did this then groups i play in would eb a lot more picky about who gets to play in our groups as we wuldn't want to lose fame/ranking.

i'm only r6 but i played the long ahrd way of doing nromal builds with pugs as my original guild was a pve one.

Roza · Dec 14, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

I am not saying rank does not tell you anything. I don't think there are many rank 6 self mending W/Mo's with fiery dragon swords out there, for example. But many people tend judge on the basis of rank only.

Last night, I was with my guild doing a spike build in tombs. One monk had to go and we invited a rank 5 monk. He asked us what our rank was and found that most were rank 3 only (we do GvG more than tombs) and 2 not even that. We knew our build well enough, but he soon started to get bossy on TS. And our caller, having a lower rank, seemed happy to follow his advise/orders. We run into IWAY after one win. At that point, the rank 5 monk starts saying: "Kill the spirits, kill em". Fertile was not among them, nor EOE. And our caller does as he orders, deviating from the previously agreed on plan of immediately taking out some fury wars, forcing us to run into the mass of pets and W/R's, trying to find the spirits and taking them out with our (fairly slow) spiking spells, while our monks are quickly overcome. A Quick loss. The monk mumbles something about low ranking players and disappears.

My point is: don't believe the hype. Sure, high rank players are more likely to be good then low rank players, but this isn't always the case. And they are also far more likely to be arrogant twats.

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I don't mean to sound like a jerk; I'm just being honest. If you were an employer who was hiring, would you wanna take the less-qualified applicant, or the more-qualified applicant?

This is interesting: If you were an employer who was hiring, would you hire on the basis of the previous salary earned by the applicant? Sure, someone with a higher previous salary is statistically more likely to be good at his job, to have more experience, a better education and all that. But would you hire them based on this only? Would you consider making having earned an x amount previously a requirement? Would you say that in politics people who have held the most important positions are the most suitable persons to be in power? I do hope you would not.

As in the real world, in Guild Wars, l33tism is a serious obstruction to people being judged on merit.

Sereng Amaranth · Dec 14, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

What's funny is people saying they are rank 5 when that is not provable. Any IWAY farmer can get to 125 fame and say they are rank 5.